WHAT THE FUCK IS IS THIS SITE I AM CONFUSED

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2016-01-28 01:36:49 n-tech and how it would integrate into a site running NNTP+Next

2016-01-28 01:36:53 n-tech Can you answer a few questions we're having

2016-01-28 01:36:56 n-tech tbbhhhhfaaaammmm

2016-01-28 06:49:32 __uguu__ i just woke up

2016-01-28 06:49:53 __uguu__ i added a json api so I can develop that

2016-01-28 06:50:12 __uguu__ in general i need to wake up first

2016-01-28 06:50:51 n-tech alright

2016-01-28 06:51:19 __uguu__ tl;dr edition: you don't need to implement nntp if you don't want to

2016-01-28 07:12:33 __uguu__ should I start leaking rumors about you working on nntpchan?

2016-01-28 07:13:13 __uguu__ no one but you and me know so if it happens it's you or me

2016-01-28 07:25:46 n-tech Let me give you a skinny

2016-01-28 07:25:55 __uguu__ ... a what?

2016-01-28 07:26:02 n-tech a short version of a larger story.

2016-01-28 07:26:04 n-tech I want tos pare details.

2016-01-28 07:26:12 n-tech the skinny* i guess

2016-01-28 07:26:17 n-tech I have a man who wants to start a successor to 8chan using Next.

2016-01-28 07:26:37 n-tech He believes in my endeavours despite the noise and he believes me when I tell him distibuted chans are the way of the future

2016-01-28 07:26:45 __uguu__ forward warning: i am of the opinion that 8chan's idea is why it failed

2016-01-28 07:26:57 n-tech the reddit thing?

2016-01-28 07:27:04 __uguu__ the user created boards thing

2016-01-28 07:27:09 n-tech hear me out

2016-01-28 07:27:13 __uguu__ okay

2016-01-28 07:27:17 n-tech I want to make a frontend for NNTPchan, or another distributed network like that

2016-01-28 07:27:20 n-tech and we have a few concerns but in general

2016-01-28 07:27:33 n-tech I want to make it so that the [0-zz] range is reserved for official boards

2016-01-28 07:27:38 n-tech that way if there's a bunch of drama and noise between BOs

2016-01-28 07:27:48 n-tech we can set up a "federal government" board that offers a consistent user experience

2016-01-28 07:27:53 n-tech but

2016-01-28 07:28:01 n-tech everything is NNTPified too

2016-01-28 07:28:15 n-tech so it'd be mychan.v or mychan.bane and people can access them through other nodes

2016-01-28 07:28:16 n-tech or vice vesa

2016-01-28 07:28:22 n-tech I just want a good starting point for this network

2016-01-28 07:28:25 __uguu__ i like that

2016-01-28 07:28:48 __uguu__ so net.8ch.tech vs xyz.endchan.tech

2016-01-28 07:29:13 n-tech do you put tld before the domain?

2016-01-28 07:29:16 n-tech in how boards are named

2016-01-28 07:29:20 __uguu__ the problem comes that you can't post in net.8ch.tech from xyz.endchan.tech

2016-01-28 07:29:31 __uguu__ that's why we would use overchan.tech instead

2016-01-28 07:29:54 n-tech That may be for the better

2016-01-28 07:30:01 n-tech This is where the problem arises, his concerns

2016-01-28 07:30:09 __uguu__ the origin of the post is defined in the message's Path header, i.e. someplace.tld!dix.tld!ass.tld!origin.tld

2016-01-28 07:30:13 n-tech Do deletions propagate? Post edits? Any sort of moderator actions?

2016-01-28 07:30:16 __uguu__ yes

2016-01-28 07:30:18 __uguu__ absolutely

2016-01-28 07:30:28 n-tech So each NNTP node has read-only archives of boards they want to read

2016-01-28 07:30:35 n-tech and each node can decide if they want to NNTP-ifiy their own content

2016-01-28 07:30:42 __uguu__ that's the entire idea behind the moderation system, it's decentralized, you can trust remote mods

2016-01-28 07:30:54 __uguu__ it's just that we've had no organization for it yet

2016-01-28 07:30:59 __uguu__ since, like, no one wants to mod

2016-01-28 07:31:28 __uguu__ all mod actions propigate but it's up the the admins of the servers to trust the moderation events

2016-01-28 07:31:45 __uguu__ the mod events are cryptographically signed so they are not spoofable

2016-01-28 07:32:11 __uguu__ does that make it better?

2016-01-28 07:33:17 __uguu__ right now we'd have to define a standard for post edits, i.e. how to package diffs

2016-01-28 07:34:07 n-tech Yea, that works. I'll forward this chat to him if that's OK

2016-01-28 07:34:12 __uguu__ do eeeeeeeeeeet

2016-01-28 07:34:24 n-tech We're in planning phase. He's a people person and I'm a PHP pro

2016-01-28 07:34:37 n-tech he'd be the community manager

2016-01-28 07:34:46 __uguu__ is he a shitfuck busybody?

2016-01-28 07:34:55 n-tech yes, has real responsibilities

2016-01-28 07:35:01 n-tech he'd be my Odili I guess

2016-01-28 07:35:05 __uguu__ :///

2016-01-28 07:35:13 n-tech but he has a joy for this kind of stuff

2016-01-28 07:35:17 n-tech like he reads my kiwifarms drama

2016-01-28 07:35:21 n-tech so he likes Internet culture lol

2016-01-28 07:35:29 __uguu__ is he a trannyfaggot?

2016-01-28 07:35:53 __uguu__ just want to make sure that nntpchan doesn't get ruined by SJW crybullies

2016-01-28 07:35:54 n-tech tranny? ew no

2016-01-28 07:36:02 n-tech dude he's more of a cyberbully than I am

2016-01-28 07:36:03 n-tech lol

2016-01-28 07:36:10 __uguu__ :\\\\

2016-01-28 07:36:22 n-tech well he could be

2016-01-28 07:36:27 n-tech he's not like some dark troll lord

2016-01-28 07:36:31 n-tech lol

2016-01-28 07:36:35 n-tech gosh see

2016-01-28 07:36:38 n-tech im bad with words

2016-01-28 07:36:41 n-tech so flustered

2016-01-28 07:37:03 __uguu__ i just wouldn't give him mod privs

2016-01-28 07:37:19 n-tech I would trust him to make more rational decisions than me to be honest

2016-01-28 07:37:37 n-tech You don't really have a good idea of what he's like and you're drawing conclusions from my noise which is really bad at describing him as a person

2016-01-28 07:37:38 n-tech lol

2016-01-28 07:37:52 n-tech dw it'll be chill, he's like a jim but less pigs

2016-01-28 07:38:06 n-tech and he understands FOSS

2016-01-28 07:38:08 n-tech :----DDD

2016-01-28 07:38:11 __uguu__ bring it up with nntpchan people is all i'd say

2016-01-28 07:43:54 n-tech Cool

2016-01-28 07:43:57 n-tech The progression would be

2016-01-28 07:44:12 n-tech New site with next -> get next working happy -> begin planning nntp -> nntp

2016-01-28 07:44:41 __uguu__ that's backwards tho :D

2016-01-28 07:44:46 n-tech Why?

2016-01-28 07:45:00 __uguu__ nntp -> plan nntp -> get next working happy -> new site with next

2016-01-28 07:45:09 n-tech lol

2016-01-28 07:45:12 __uguu__ that's what is going to happen honestly

2016-01-28 07:45:13 __uguu__ :D

2016-01-28 07:45:36 __uguu__ why not embrace it

2016-01-28 07:45:38 n-tech I can't do that, it'd be too far down the line. Isn't it possible to open the content to NNTP after the fact?

2016-01-28 07:46:53 __uguu__ my stance on this is "do whatever you want just don't spam the backbone"

2016-01-28 07:47:07 n-tech There's a backbone?

2016-01-28 07:47:14 __uguu__ yes, the nntp backbone

2016-01-28 07:47:22 n-tech This can be extended without anyone's approval yea?

2016-01-28 07:47:27 n-tech Like I can just host a backbone myself

2016-01-28 07:47:56 __uguu__ 'the back bone' is the collective nntp chan peering

2016-01-28 07:48:02 n-tech ah ok

2016-01-28 07:48:06 __uguu__ it's a term i coined a while ago

2016-01-28 07:48:15 n-tech it's a bad term it implies centralization

2016-01-28 07:48:18 n-tech call it something else

2016-01-28 07:48:28 n-tech :----DDDDDD

2016-01-28 07:48:30 __uguu__ like...?

2016-01-28 07:48:35 n-tech "network"

2016-01-28 07:48:38 n-tech "cluster"

2016-01-28 07:48:46 __uguu__ cluster implies centralized

2016-01-28 07:49:04 __uguu__ network sounds... meh

2016-01-28 07:52:00 __uguu__ you can use whatever terms you want

2016-01-28 07:52:29 n-tech committee

2016-01-28 07:52:34 n-tech the autism committee

2016-01-28 07:52:43 __uguu__ the idea behind nntpchan is that it allows fractal fragmentation on the same platform

2016-01-28 07:53:11 __uguu__ "the oligarchy" or "the nntp cabal"

2016-01-28 07:53:18 n-tech yessss

2016-01-28 07:53:20 __uguu__ the usenet cabal was a thing

2016-01-28 07:53:29 __uguu__ cabal is probably a better one

2016-01-28 07:54:39 n-tech Clarify: net.8ch.v cannot delete anything on com.mysite.v yes?

2016-01-28 07:55:03 n-tech or in any other configuration of something that's not me touching my site's content

2016-01-28 07:55:10 __uguu__ at the moment, all mods are for all boards

2016-01-28 07:55:29 __uguu__ but it only extends to the scope of the servers that trust the keys

2016-01-28 07:56:06 __uguu__ i can make it so that it applies to only some boards but idk if that makes sense

2016-01-28 07:57:57 n-tech I'm confused now. If I host a board on my site, is a moderator on another site allowed to delete the content in such a way that it deletes it from my site?

2016-01-28 08:04:29 __uguu__ only if you allow them

2016-01-28 08:04:36 n-tech gr8

2016-01-28 08:05:14 __uguu__ by default, it defaults to trusting no one

2016-01-28 08:05:31 __uguu__ (EXCEPT the local admin)

2016-01-28 08:06:57 n-tech the local admin in this instance would be my installation of Next, right?

2016-01-28 08:07:04 __uguu__ yes

2016-01-28 08:07:15 n-tech Like I don't have to integrate NNTPchan's permission system beyond having Next do commands on behalf of PHP qualified users ye?

2016-01-28 08:07:23 __uguu__ yes

2016-01-28 08:08:37 __uguu__ ideally have those php moderation commands propigate to the rest of the network tho as that helps a lot

2016-01-28 08:08:52 __uguu__ BUT you don't have to take any from the rest of the net if you don't want to

2016-01-28 08:09:05 __uguu__ (you will want to after a while tho, mark my words)

2016-01-28 08:09:15 n-tech That's what I'd want. I'd want to faithfully replicate other sites on the backbone, including their moderation commands

2016-01-28 08:09:27 n-tech but the only thing touching content from the new site should be moderators with their respective jurisdictions

2016-01-28 08:09:36 n-tech and Next's integration can issue commands to the backbone on their behalf

2016-01-28 08:09:45 __uguu__ yup

2016-01-28 08:09:49 n-tech perf

2016-01-28 08:13:36 n-tech And like, lets say a site wants to listen to my site and pull content

2016-01-28 08:13:44 n-tech They can choose not to listen to moderation commands, right

2016-01-28 08:14:10 n-tech A site I have no control over is allowed to listen to content creation updates but ignore anything about editing / deleting

2016-01-28 08:16:17 __uguu__ yes

2016-01-28 08:16:51 n-tech and soz if I'm asking like, simple or redundant questions

2016-01-28 08:17:03 n-tech I have a really good idea of what I'm getting into but we're being thorough so we can plan

2016-01-28 08:17:26 __uguu__ okay, for the record i would like to stay 100% transparent

2016-01-28 08:17:40 n-tech what do you mean?

2016-01-28 08:18:09 __uguu__ future discussing be done in #nntpchan not PM, i post this log to overchan.overchan for feedback

2016-01-28 08:18:39 n-tech #nntpchan on rizon or the i2pnet

2016-01-28 08:18:56 __uguu__ rizon, it's #overchan on irc2p and everywhere else

2016-01-28 08:19:10 __uguu__ #overchan is taken on rizon prolly

2016-01-28 08:19:37 __uguu__ that's reasonable no?

2016-01-28 08:19:59 n-tech should be fine

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trying out dynamic page gen

someone spam requests to benchmark dis shit

we need to come up with a way to link files here anonymously because those smugs need to get posted somehow.

oniichan wuzdown

izback

migrated to new box

sss

While trying to fix peerings and making test posts, one of them which had an ebin neko attached did not appear on the target node (oniichan). This confused me and made me suspect it was a part of the syncing problem. Turned out it was merely the good ol' weird behavior of dropping the whole posts if the node receiving it doesn't want attachments. Furthermore, there are several levels of "not wanting attachments".

There is "allow_attachments=0" which means drop all posts containing an attachment. In my case, it was "allow_anon_attachments=0" which allows attachments but only if the post contains a "X-Encrypted-Ip" header. This holds the IP address of the posted encrypted with a one time pad. Apparently it's better than hashing IP since that can be bruteforced but one time pads can't. In the event that there needs to be an IP ban, the person who holds the pad releases the pad, then IP is revealed and everyone can ban that IP.

All this basically means that if you write a nice lengthy post in a discussion and attach an unrelated image, because why not, there is a fairly high chance that some frontends will pretend that you post doesn't exist and won't show it, which means fags on that frontend won't see your stupid opinions.

I told psi that this is confusing and kinda bullshit, and he was like yeah I could rewrite it. Maybe something like "[attachment was dropped]". The problem is if you get a message that has been rewritten by dropping node before you get the original, what happens? Right now, the original will be rejected because the rewritten one was accepted first.

Maybe a "X-attachment-Dropped: 1" header can be added. That way, posts with dropped attachments can be replaced with their originals. Right now, node receives the post (downloads it), sees the attachment, says nope and drops the whole thing.

The point of all this stuff is to not write CP on disk so maybe the articles can be downloaded to RAM, not showing the attachment on the web level, relayed to other nodes and deleted.

So, what do?

oniichan doesn't sync, can't connect. :/

dix

nope.

Eternal Archive anon here with the list of required shit.

I2P text board with required tripcode usage and a whitelist feature for said tripcodes. Autopruning turned off completely, needs the ability to have mod accounts that can delete posts, like janitors, and a higher tier of mods that can edit the whitelist, sticky threads and lock them. I might think of more shit for this later. Board should start out with the boards /b/ for offtopic shit, /tech/ for general tech advice, opsec and so on, /meta/ for announcements and contact with the mods and /anime/ for the anime archival project with the option to add further boards if other media starts being archived.

Wiki. Needs bots that can make new wiki pages so that I can simply give them a list like https://pad.riseup.net/p/Team_1_%28pre_70s%29 and they'll make a bunch of wiki pages out of the title. We'll also need a different set of bots that can be told by the tripcode users on the whitelist to edit one of the pages, however they should only be able to include or exclude the name of a user from the side, further editing of the wiki should be limited to the high tier mods. The wiki also has to have a record of what tripuser made what edit through the bot.Each wiki page should contain a magnet link that is updated when new people start seeding, usual tracker stuff. Wiki needs search function by anime name, pages with 0 seeders should be marked somehow. This way, the wiki has the magnet link and a list of the ones that are seeding.

Wiki should also contain a section for articles about user guidelines, basically a list os static documents where the mods can write guides and shit.

I2P irc, just for general chat needs.

I am looking for links to the deepest darkest shit you guys have. NO CHEESY PIZZA. Please chan surprise me .

anybody help me with a onion site same with safe btc , to transfer money in safe and the package when arrived me and didn`t match , can i cancel my transaction and recover my BTC

looking for market places

yo where is that post with all the frontends? Like all the I2P and Tor one's. Specifically I2P.

i accedentally the WHOLE thing D: